And the qualifications of the translators I will deal with in another post, probably my next one.

And while you can quote Debuhn, nobody seems willing to tackle the question of: what about the known translators of the NWT, and their inherent qualifications (or lack thereof) to translate from the original languages to English? To simply say, as Dave has, that it is a good translation b/c it has “helped” a lot of people, is ludicrous.

What do YOU say?

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Greg B

The end of the age of the gentile means NO MORE GENTILES WILL BE ALLOWED! That is what Paul meant in Romans when he stated that He who grafted on wild branches can brake those off as he did the natural branches in Romans 11.

So here is my point.

Many of the teachings of WTS happened many years ago they have been fulfilled well before WTS was conceived!…. and when it is stated that end of the age of gentiles is now here, then the JW would be in great disobedience to try to convert a gentile… let alone a waste of time as they are all saved that would be saved… it is now the time of Israel to lose their hardening and be able to see Jesus as Messiah.

Romans 11: 25. I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

So to me most of the JW talk is utter nonsense in light of historical and biblical contexts… it shows a lack of historical knowledge and even less biblical understanding… granted I have seen worse in some mainstream Christianity… yet I would not consider them truly mainstream….

iggy

Greg B

“see, two can play at that game. You all are false prophets too.”

Does that mean that you admit that the WTS is a false prophet? “…You all are false prophets TOO (ie..also) .”

Hey, If this “wack-job” claimed that the rapture would occur in 1988….then yes, I agree with you…he is a false prophet just like the WTS.

As far as Israel as a nation goes…well I’m not sure what your implications are there…but we could discuss that in another post if you like…it is a good subject.

Greg B

It’s hard to tell when the end of this system will come. It could well be sooner, “right around the corner,” as they say. World conditions sure aren’t getting any rosier, are they? And the prediction of Peter has also turned out to be right on the money:

“First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.” 2 Pet 3:3-4

It is obvious that the WTS has implied that 1914 + 120 = 2034…..The implied meaning is the beginning of a prophecy…sort of like a “trial balloon” if you will. The WTS will test out the waters to see if this “pre-prophecy” has any legs…ie…any momentum to bring in new proselytes.

Also, to answer your question on the rapture….Lol, this is a normal ploy (of those without an answer to my argument)to divert any attention to the subject at hand… Where did that question come from anyways?? It has absolutely NO relevance whatsoever to this debate… lol.

But anyways, to answer your question; any “wack-job” that has predicted the rapture was to occur in 1988 is just as bad and cultish as the WTS with their false prophecies…and I would condemn them just as I condemn you. 99% of Christendom would also condemn a wack-job who prophesied the rapture in 1988.

Anyways, I am not a dispensationalist. but nice try.

So, now, I’m just waiting for your answers to questions 1,2 and 3…from the above post. Time is precious Steve k…I can’t wait forever…Armageddon may arrive before you answer my questions… Lol.

Greg B