When I first heard this sermon I was going to state how much of a Godly man John Piper is. Then I heard him swear. Instantly I lost my sanctification and dropped to my knees and repented for thinking those thoughts about John Piper and for hearing such foul language. I see his message, which started out great, was one that I could not even finish as it was so offensive because of its language! This is proof of the infection of the emerging emergents that are out there swearing in every sermon they do! We can thank Mark Driscoll and Tony Jones for influencing once godly men like John Piper and leading them to lose their sanctification.
Now, before you worry, I confessed for an hour per letter in that four letter word and now I am pure again.
(Oh crap! I just listened to the sermon again as I tried to post it to make sure it works… now I need go and repent again!)
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God,
I. Todyaso
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huh? where’s the curse word?? r u talking about ‘crap’?? please tell me you didn’t rip john piper because he said crap???
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The word “crap” is the four letter word that made you pray for sanctification for FOUR HOURS!?
LOL you are too naive friend, lol, you need to grow up some.
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Having listened to John Piper I am not aware of any swearing. If the word “crap” is being referred to then I see nothing amiss. It is a standard, justifiable word that gives deep expression to something that is both wasteful and offensive. Next we shall be informed that “bastard” is a swear word, that God swears (Heb.12.8). As for Piper himself. This man plays to an audience, gives them what they want. And when his time is up he shall depart to his place, along with the rich man in torments. Piper’s come and go as the Martin Lloyd Jone’s and Spurgeon’s do, of each generation.
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Alan, I go to Bethlehem Baptist church. John Piper is my pastor. I can tell you first hand that this man preaches truth that is completely out of scripture. He is no performer. He is preaching truth like any other God-ordained pastor, and people just want to listen to him. He lives an extremely modest lifestyle. Don’t hate on a pastor when you don’t know anything about him.
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Tyler,
I will be doing a study on “biblical” stoning and that it is still approved of in the NT. If you notice is it in the Levitical Law and that it is reference numerous times in the NT. Because of this I believe it is a “Christian” practise that is being ignore and through true revival need be reinstated as the Truth it is. It would be a great tool in our Truth War arsenal.
I. Todyaso
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Laodiceans,
I have been concerned about Rev Piper since he wrote a book that included a chapter by Mark Driscoll. Piper is bad news.
Struggling
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While I do agree that Mark Driscoll is in need of some spiritual transformation, I believe he is a believer. His foul language is something that does draw away from his sermon. However, Piper is in no way implicated in this video. “Crap” is a word about junk, or bodily excretions. And, in case anyone wonders how a “godly” man could discuss these things in the pulpit, please turn in your bibles to 2 Kings 18:27 and Isaiah 36:12. Discussing bodily functions and things that are considered “inappropriate” to our human senses occurs in Scripture when God is trying to get His point across to His people or His ministers are trying to show just how bad off the Lord’s people are
In Christ,
Eric
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John Piper is awesome… Don’t give him a bad rap. Overall, he’s a sound teacher.
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He is a performer upon a stage. Piper is no more than a novelty act within Christendom. To one audience he is free will, to another bondage of the will. Spurgeon was the finest example of how to face one way and then the other, a man who preached Sandemanianism, whilst proclaiming to be a Calvinist, a man that could stand along side Charles Darwin, promote origin of the species, whilst confessing to be reformed, a man who claimed justification by faith whilst promoting Quaker inner light justification.
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Your comments on that one word are way over the top. In the UK ‘crap’ isn’t a swear word to most people. To say damn is a swear word in the UK but not in many parts of America. Actually the apostle Paul uses a similar word when he says “I counted all things as crap (slang Greek word for cow manure) compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ…” I don’t like bad language and Christians often use it without thinking, but in defense of Piper I think he is absolutely right in this case.
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Paul,
I was riding very high today in my sanctification until I read the crap… errr the manure you are spreading in that comment. Now I must go back into my prayer closet and purge myself of my sin before God so I can go before the Cross sinless and have to worry Jesus.
You need to be more careful in your language. I mean you sound like an Emergent who cares little about the crap… errr the things you say that could offend American Christians.
You must realize we Americans set the standard of Holiness and Bible interpretation.
So, Paul go and wash your mouth out with some Limey soap and don’t blame your foul language on the Greeks!
Repent because,
I. Todyaso
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1. where is your Biblical basis behind the word “crap” being a curse word? I would like to see that verse.
2. Not all American Christians, in fact, i would say MOST American Christians do not consider “crap” to be a curse word. I certainly do not.
3. We Americans in no way set the standard of Holiness or Biblical interpretation. That is completely untrue. Christ sets the standard of Holiness, to say that as Americans we do is prideful, and leads people to believe we think we are more holy than others which again is not only prideful but a lie, a horrible lie at that.
4. If we as Americans did set the standard for Holiness and Biblical interpretation I would be worried because a lot of the American church has gotten so far away from the true gospel and true following of Christ that we would be responsible for the false teaching of countless lives.
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Haha. What a lol. S**t and f**k. You people are hilarious.
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I assume you must go to Mark Driscoll’s church. Not much more to say on that.
I. Todyaso
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Oh no! What have I done? Maybe I could go to my prayer closet and try get my sanctification back. Incidentally, which sermon does this article refer to? (to guard myself from it, of course)
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Mike,
I just left my closet and regained my sanctification after reading your comments. Though Luther often used the “S” word, Since Mark Driscoll used it, it is no longer sanctified.
Now, the sermon in question is the one that in the Youtube player in this post. It seemed obvious to me, yet I guess if you are a Driscollian it may be confusing to you whether what we consider to be swearing is or not.
My prayers are with you as you trust in our GIFT of Discernment.
Now, please observe the rule (which we have not posted yet) about using swear words. Rule one is that if it is in the bible you may use it. You may use though we will edit it if a Reformer or Puritans used the word. Unless Mark Driscoll used the word once. Then that word has lost it’s sanctification. Note if Steve Camp or Ken Silva or Chris Pajak uses the word they are exempt becuase they are ultra sanctified.
Believe me,
I. Todyaso
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I pray to God you’re trying to be humorous in these comments and posts cause the argument you just presented is so off base compared to Scripture that I can’t even get a radar fix on you! In the words of your good friend Luther, “unless I am convinced by scripture and simple logic,” I cannot and I will not heed your words. Anyone who makes a claim is required to present proof from Scripture. Without that, you have no hope of presenting anything more than personal preference.
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Todyaso,
I have read a few of your articles and your responses to others comments and am somewhat concerned. You come across as very prideful and self righteous as you continually lose your sanctification and have to go atone for your sins. Please keep in mind that our Lord and Savior was humble and wants us to live in humility as well. I am not trying to bash you but am only a concerned brother in Christ.
In Him,
Ryan
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Ryan,
Thank you. We here try hard to please OUR God and are glad when someone like you see OUR fruit. May OUR God bless you as He seems to finally opened your eyes to the “truth” of the Truth Wars” We fight for our Great and Wonderful Leader who wrote the book on it.
I hope you come around more. Thanks again for the compliments. Jesus needs all the help we can give to protect Him, His Truth, and OUR Doctrines. As long as you are humble to OUR doctrines, OUR truth, and OUR God, you too can atone for your own sins It is our “Lordship Salvation” that saves us.
Grace to you,
I. Todyaso
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Friends,
I think all of you are going to hell in a handbasket. You are all apostate. Go to the Puritans thou sluggards and learn from their pristine, beautiful uber-santimoni-fied speech. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. There’s just no room in the church for people who mock The Right Rev Our Father His Holiness Dr Piper II, esq.
You guys need help. I’m going to Ingrid’s where I can get some clean conversation.
jerry
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Love the signing off bit “The Right Rev Our Father His Holiness Dr Piper II, esq”.
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Todyaso,
I am not more than concerned I am horified by your own blindess, I pray that MY Lord, Jesus Christ, who has saved such an undeserving sinner as I will open your eyes that you may believe in Him, and truly give your life to Him and his servant and slave. I am a firm believer in Lordship salvation, and Jesus Christ is the Lord of my life, I do all things to His glory and honor to the best of my ability as He has graciously allowed.
In regards to Dr. John MacArthur, I find him to be a wonderful God honoring man who is an amazing teacher and pastor. I would also consider my self a student of his as I have sat under his teaching at both Grace Community Church and at the Master’s college where he is President. I am confident to say that he too, as I am would be horified by the things you say and the way your are disgracing OUR (Dr. MacArthur’s and mine) great Lord.
Ryan
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K? Seems that Piper’s so called Calvinistic message was lost on you, dear. No one is saved by giving their lives to Christ. Such end up in hell, being external to the Vine (Jhn.15.1-5). Before a person can be saved they have to be first accounted as being in Christ, and that before the foundation of the world (Eph.1.4), and then to have, in time, Christ revealed in you (Gal.1.16), so that you cannot save yourself by anything that you think you can do. It is predestined that some shall be saved, and that some shall be damned, and that it is electing grace that makes the difference, and a message that Piper will not preach, of reprobation of some, of salvation of others, because he knows the cash will cease to come in, and his fancy life style disappear
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Ryan,
I am not even sure where to begin here. You seem all over the map. One moment you are yelling at me I am not saved, then another affirming OUR doctrine of Lordship Salvation. Then you mockingly disgrace OUR great teacher and author guru John MacArthur with my own words.
Shame on you. It seems you are too blind to see anything without someone point it to you. I hope that if you have a dog it is potty trained and can let itself out as I am not sure what you might step in. If you do, maybe you better check your shoes.
I am glad to here Jesus is just the “Lord of your Life” as some people I know claim they died with Christ and no longer live. In fact they claim that they have not life but the Life of Christ inside them.
Can you imagine claiming Jesus lives inside you? What utter nonsense. It is OUR life and God is OUR Lord and the Blessed John MacArthur is our Apostle to lead us out of the manure pasture of un-enlightenment of the enlightenment. I am also glad to see that you understand what John MacArthur teaches is all about doing the best of “your ability” and not leaning o Christ to live and have His being in you to do His Will and Purpose. The last thing we need is to have Christianity be about Jesus and to lose sight that it is all about me and my salvation. Right?
Now the one thing you are lacking though is discernment. Sadly many who follow John MacArthur miss what the Truth War is about. We are to protect Jesus and the Truth of OUR doctrines.
Now aside from all that, YOUR snide and mocker of John MacArthur makes me see that you must be lying. A true follower of John MacArthur would never attack someone else to protect his own reputation. They are the kindest gentlest people and that church has a ever growing reputation of this. In fact John MacArthur would not make any wide generalizations of anyone. We know that the people tend to be like the Master they follow.
Now, you are wasting my time in attack me, though my holiness has risen more by your persecution. I hope only that you grow in “your ability” and earnestly receive the same Grace to you as we give to all people (as long as they agree with us and are saved).
Even in our suffering,
I. Todyaso
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Thanks for the laugh! Nice one! almost took you to be serious.
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if you’re referring to the word “crap”, you used the word 3 times on the page. wow!
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This is one of my favorite video clips because I couldn’t agree more with the Rev. Dr. Piper. The “health and wealth” teaching is nothing but scubalon (see, I know Greek, therefore I don’t have to use the word ‘crap’).
It really is interesting reading the comments, Iggy. It really is. Especially from folks who are most likely in “my camp.”
BTW, I love the Unknown Comic pic.
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I need to get out more; I didn’t realize using “crap” was a big controversy in the church.
James where do you camp?
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Warren,
From his blog I would say just north of the Emergent Village!
I. Todyaso
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KOA – Kampgrounds of America, Inc. . . . my theological persuasion is Reformed Baptist.
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sigh…itodyaso…you seem proficient with the theology of glory, now it’s time to learn about the theology of the cross. Please man, it’s time to get real. Since when did Jesus need your protection? You’re a worm and a helpless sinner and He is part of the eternal and all powerful Trinity. If anyone is saved it is because God has saved them by grace through faith in Christ alone. If anyone is lost, it is because they have hardened themselves against the gospel – so follow it through…if we are saved it is God’s work and if we are not saved, it is our fault. And yes…I am Lutheran. And yes your mission statement fits perfectly with…well just read psalm 2 and know you’re currently not one of the good guys. Again, you have absolutely no authority to make the claims you do. Leave your sect and go and sit under a ‘John Piper’ or a Reformed or Lutheran pastor who can teach you what the Gospel truly is and to know your proper place in His kingdom. Amen.
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Sigh… I do not understand why I get so persecuted. I guess I am blessed. I recommend read more of this blog to get you basic understanding of things straightened out. You can start here. If you don’t get it from that, I recommend you read my deeper biblical teaching on why we need to return to stoning heretics like you.
I. Todyaso
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This is ridiculous. There are more serious things happening in this world than a minister saying CRAP on the pulpit. THere are people’s souls that need to be saved and prayed for and some of the people that are writing here on this site. That person who is without sin let him cast the first stone. Let us love one another freely as God would have us
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When a “Christian” uses the word “crap” they do not realize they are saying a Satanic ritualistic work. It stands for the reverse acronym PARC (as you know all Satanists speak backwards so they are easy to spot! Especially with the goatee’s and long robes!) which stands for “Pervert All Religious Churches”. As you know, all ODM churches are truly religious and not of the fake Churches like those emergent ones!
So, when you say crap you are speaking against ODM churches! And if you do that, we will be sure to attack your blog or whatever and tell people you are a heretic so they can hate you.
iTodyaso
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He never swore. Crap is a swear word? C,mon guys, quit fishing for stuff, those who were offended. Did you get his message? Far more important than crap.
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Oh my! I read Rick’s comment with the ‘c’ word mentioned twice. I feel so dirty now. What should I do I. Todyaso? How can I sanctify my eyes?
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I need to go get some Orbit gum and about 2 hours of re-sanctifying prayer before I lose my eternally secured salvation.
I. Todyaso
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this is your gig itod so you can claim whatever you want – your not being persecuted – you are sounding just like shirley phelps over at Westboro BC. check her out on youtube….you need to repent for misinterpreting the scriptures – and you are doing in very badly.
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Thanks you for the compliment Mark. I needed the uplifting today.
I. Todyaso
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Todyaso, you are as blind as the religious teachers of Jesus’ day! What on earth are you on about?!
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People just don’t get it do they?
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So exactly where was the cuss word ? Talk about splitting hairs and causing tension among the brethren. Never mind that what John Piper said was absolutely true.
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Tell me what the cuss word is.
If it is crap, you used it too.
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Jung,
Yes I used that “word” and lost my sanctification until I repented. So far I do not think John Piper has repented for swearing so is still on the non-approved list. After all he also raised a son that is sympathetic to the heretic emerging church so there are lots or questions about him.
Be safe, only read this site and Ken Silva and you will be. Oh, and Chris Rosebrough, he is good. Pastorboy is a closet emerging church so I would be sure to stay away form him unless he agrees with Ken Silva and me. Also we approve of Spurgeon and Tozer (but stay away from their “mystic” side) as well as anyone else we deem not worthy of the grace we have.
Hope that helps as you seem so lost.
I. Todyaso
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ok who in the world are you itod? it really doesn’t matter who you are we all get dressed the same use the bathroom the same to crap in the toilet, and will all be judged by God the same. So I don’t know where you think that you are holier than someone else etc. It is our duty as Christians to pray for the unsaved to continue to pray and keep praying!
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What? I have not used a toilet in at least 10years or ever “crapped!” So you must be an unsaved sinner who follows that unsaved un-re-regenerated Piper who endorsed Rick Warren’s One World Religious Order… I am so sure you are unsaved that even repenting will not save you. Oh, don’t you wish you were Elect like me now?
Your now saved because,
iTodyaso
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All I can say about this discussion is, I am not sure what is meant to be taken serious and what isn’t.
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Tom,
The key to understand what is serious and what is not is to read this post.
I. Todyaso
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That has got to be the most legalistic, pharisaical, nonsense I have ever read.
Get a hobby or get married or do something with your spare time and pent up frustration. You’ll blow a fuse if you’re not careful
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I just saw this post and ,you have to be kidding.
I agree with Paul , you mist the whole point.
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Sorry that’s missed the point
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you actually are saying this…i have a suggestion for you…look up phillipians 3:8 and find out what that word is…john piper used an appropriate term…instead of getting mad at him get mad at all of
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you actually are saying this…i have a suggestion for you…look up phillipians 3:8 and find out what that word is…john piper used an appropriate term…instead of getting mad at him get mad at all of these prosperity people who are giving people this crap instead of the Gospel of Jesus Christ…thank God for men like John Piper who plainly declare the truth
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Lol. Ok, I stumbled across this while looking for the recent promo video for DG’s upcoming conference, I had to comment. DID ANY OF YOU READ THE DISCLAIMER? SERIOUSLY? Try this: “Dude! This is a satire site! Before you get all bent out of shape, please realize this is a satire site spoofing the so-called “discernment ministries” who deem themselves more worthy of Grace than the rest of us. So read and have fun!” I mean, wow. It’s even built into the header image of the site. He couldn’t be much clearer. This whole thread is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read.
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over exaggeration. since when did crap become such a ‘swear’ word. All you seem to do is focus on that. What about the message he is talkin about?dont u understand that people r being taught the wrong thing?tbh u r d 1 talkin crap here..or wil u say jesus was wrong 4 calling the pharisees, hypocritees, which was waty dey were?tut
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pami,
Please note in our banner it states:
The Online Discernmentalist Mafia
Protecting The Sovereign God and His Truth from those who are out to destroy the church. A SATIRE/PARODY blog.
Also note in the upper right hand corner on every page it states:
Dude! This is a satire site!
Before you get all bent out of shape, please realize this is a satire site spoofing the so-called “discernment ministries” who deem themselves more worthy of Grace than the rest of us. So read and have fun! BTW, we are not against “good” discernment ministries that do actual real research and extend grace to others, only the bad ones.
Now take a deep breath and learn to laugh a little…
iggy
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crap. . .
since when did crap become profanity?
Ah crap man! i say crap all the time!
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This site is a comedy site, right?
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I almost posted a comment about how legalistic this post is until I noticed that this website is SATIRICAL. I’m relieved that this wasn’t a real blog post, but am now worried about the commentors who agreed with your message.
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Wow… what a pile of religeous / self righteous load of crap!
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Never noticed the satire aspect… 😛 haha but like Stella said, I fear for those who agreed and post to…challenge…them
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I can’t believe how anyone consider “crap” a swear word. Excellent message by John Piper.
Besides, even if it were a swear, the message was solid. In “To Save a Life”, the main character swears once (the d-word), the head pastor has a little hissy fit about it, but the youth pastor states that he was glad that Jake was understanding the message and had the courage to speak out. (Damn it! What’s the point in doing of all of this if you aren’t going to let in change you?)
And why would you drop to your knees in repentance for hearing what you perceived to be a swear word? That’s ridiculous.
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Are you #$d%&@* serious. Have u ever sinned????? Dont you dare point your finger at john piper because he said CRAP. Grow up
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No, I repented and am sinless. But it sounds like you are on the way to hell with your filthy mouth!
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Are you serious? You just typed the same four letter word he used? And honestly, ‘crap’ is not swearing. This is pathetic, and an insult to a great man of God.
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And by great man of God, I mean John Piper. I don’t know what you believe or teach, itodyaso, but you are not sinless. Only Christ is sinless, and we can do nothing apart from him. You deserve only hell and damnation, on your best day. Read Isaiah 64, all you “sinlessness” is like filthy menstrual rags in the light of the holiness of God. Your works reek. Only by Christ are you made whole and can you stand before a Holy God, it is His life and death that makes that possible. You’re repentance will NEVER make you sinless; that is a works gospel and just as much crap as the prosperity gospel is. I’d advise you start reading Scripture before you start condemning solid godly men.
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Praying for john piper….God deliver him from the flames of hell.
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You have got to be kidding me! Paul describes how he considered works of the flesh to be, DUNG. It’s the same thing. They both used it for shock value.
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I am just awed….
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“Protecting The Sovereign God and His Truth from those who are out to destroy the church. A SATIRE/PARODY blog.”
Seriously?
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This guy’s a troll. Deal with it. Haha.
And even if this guy DID swear, we’re all sinners saved by the blood of Christ. Just like the big name preachers, and just like the unknown guy that has faith as small as a mustard seed.
Grace to you, and Peace
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I’ve heard Mark Driscoll is “the cussing pastor” and wanted to see what I could learn about him and that’s how I found this discussion. I agree that the “c” word is not profanity. Whoever says it is has an imprecise understanding of the English language. But it does fit into the category of crude, base, offensive, impolite and off-color language.
The Bible has many things to say about the tongue, words and language in general. Perverse speech is vulgar. I’m not surprised by all the comments here considering how the Church today seems to think it is acceptable to mirror the fallen world around us with little to no remorse. It is actually heart-breaking to see how much my country has changed in the last 50 years not to mention the Church.
Discretion is still a virtue appreciated by God whether by His people or not. As for the scripture references above that supposedly sanction foul language, I would say consult Paul’s epistles on the practical application of Biblical truth. I would also say that in moving scripture from one language and culture to another, we don’t always capture the correct sense expression. For example, if I called my mother “Woman”, it would sound disrespectful in our culture. But Jesus called Mary “Woman” (John 19:26b) in our English translations, but it wasn’t a disrespectful address at all. Also, certain words in each culture are considered vulgar. For example, in a medical context, a doctor doesn’t typically use vulgar terms but medical terms to get his point across. Decency, politeness and using good manners are important. If you don’t agree, check I Cor. 13:5a before the next time you insist that God is love and we should love as He does.
Yes, we are all sinners by nature, but that’s the fallen nature. If the Spirit of God lives within you, you have a new nature as well. Paul talks about putting off “the old man” and “putting on the new”. This is what a Biblical worldview and a close, personal relationship with Jesus Christ is all about as well as THE living religion. Yes, Christianity is a religion, but it is the only LIVING one. God does expect us to regularly ingest scripture, pray, witness, give and even fast (Hmm?!).
Jesus prayed that we would be one (John 17:21-23), but that can only happen when we come to an agreement about controversial things as well as sin. Jesus’ solution for the “eating meat offered to idols” controversy was pretty clear. Stop eating the meat…probably because it offended other Christians and caused division among believers. (See Rev. 2:20; Prov. 6:16-19) Fight among ourselves accomplishes Satan’s goals and distracts us from spreading the gospel and edifying the saints.
I hope you all consider these things very carefully. Selah.
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I scanned a few of the comments in this thread, and have concluded it is fairly useless. I’ll just say that discretion is a good quality that is sadly missing in our society. I can’t explain away the references in scripture, but I know you can’t go wrong apply good character in your speech. There is no law against the fruit(s) of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22,23). Too often we look for excuses to do what WE want to do.
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[…] Update # 2-We now suspect that the attacks were connected to evil Emergents rather than Bulpit & Pen as their language was too filthy and sounded like censored Driscollian cussing rather than Pure Biblical curses. […]
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